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Bottas working hard on his flaws

2018-01-12 23:21:10

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Can someone explain to me why this sub hates refueling so much?

2018-01-12 22:57:55

Besides the good old "most intense racing league in the world needing to be more eco friendly" BS

Why do you all hate refueling? It allowed for constant pushing without worry of conserving fuel, allowed more beastly engine designs, allowed for greater strategy maneuvers (no chance Michael can pull of the 4 pit stop strategy now). Furthermore, cars were lighter, racing overall was arguably much better. Prior to this season all the track records were set by cars from a decade ago.

So besides safety concerns (and come on, those were freak accidents) why is there such an overwhelming hate for refueling?

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[OT] The Rolex 24 At Daytona: One Of A Kind

2018-01-12 22:56:14

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The 107% rule. How did they come up with 107% ?

2018-01-12 22:45:42

I've been following f1 for 20 years but it just hit me now. I've no idea what the basis is for the 107% rule.

I know why it was introduced and how it's worked throughout the various forms but does anyone know where the 107% comes from?

Is there any mathematical/statistical reasoning or did Max Mosley just pull it out of his arse (or someone else's at one of his..."parties"?

Any light anyone can shed would be much appreciated. Thanks 😁

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Had an opportunity to take a crack at designing a proposal for the F1 OTT interface. Here's where we (unsuccessfully) landed.

2018-01-12 22:39:46

Had an opportunity to take a crack at designing a proposal for the F1 OTT interface. Here's where we (unsuccessfully) landed. submitted by /u/TheRealFJ
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Ferrari F2004 rear view

2018-01-12 22:15:34

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Brian May & Alain Prost. Because why not...

2018-01-12 22:13:02

Brian May & Alain Prost. Because why not... submitted by /u/MaxKuz
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An Assetto Corsa skin for the Tatuus FA01 based on the Jordan 191

2018-01-12 22:04:15

An Assetto Corsa skin for the Tatuus FA01 based on the Jordan 191 submitted by /u/FelixR1991
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Massa vs Hamilton - The Infamous 2008 Season (Off Season History Project)

2018-01-12 21:54:36

I want to start this off by saying that I am still pretty new to F1, so I was not a fan during this season. If anyone sees any mistakes in this piece, please let me know! Also, while I do go over Hamilton’s progress throughout the season, a majority of this article is written with Massa intentionally being the main focus. I figured that, given his recent retirement from the sport after a great career, it would be fun to write about his best season while focusing on his drive (also, I’m not really a Hamilton fan, so that may have something to do with it). As a fan new to Formula 1 this season, it was very enjoyable to go back and watch races from this season and research this battle between two of the best drivers to ever sit in a Formula 1 car. I’m sure many of you can vividly remember watching this season unfold, and I hope I was able to do it justice. Enjoy!


The 2008 Formula 1 World Driver’s Championship was about as close as a championship race can get between two competitors: it came down to the final corners on the final lap of the final race of the season. Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa were driving for the two best teams of the season, McLaren-Mercedes and Ferrari respectively, and thus were able to show off their skills behind the wheel throughout this thrilling season. It was full of ups and downs for both of the drivers, with both of them experiencing the highs of winning multiple races, and the lows of retiring from a race.

The season got off to a bad start for Felipe Massa and his Ferrari F2008. In Australia, he suffered an engine failure after 29 laps. The second round in Malaysia did not go much better when the Brazilian national spun out of the race on lap 31 after taking pole position in qualifying. Despite this bad start, Massa was able to bounce back during Round 3 in Bahrain, passing pole sitter Robert Kubica in the first corner of the race and maintaining a lead for the remaining laps, despite struggling for grip early on in the race because of an oily track. After a roller coaster of an open to the season, the next four races were a bit calmer. These contests saw Massa land a pole position and three podium finishes, including his second win of the season in Turkey. These consistent points finishes let Massa rise to second place in the Driver’s standings after seven races.

Hamilton, with his McLaren MP4-23, got off to a start to the season that was pretty much the exact opposite to Massa’s. He won from pole position in Australia while leading all but five laps of the race, and finished in the points in Malaysia. However, the British McLaren driver suffered a poor start and front wing damage after a collision with Fernando Alonso on the second lap during the next round in Bahrain. This damage led to an early pit stop, sending Hamilton down to 18th place. He was unable to ever fully recover from this early incident, and he finished the race out of the points for the first time in the season. However, whatever ground in the Driver’s Championship that Hamilton lost in Bahrain was quickly regained via three straight podium finishes in the next three races, including a win in Monaco. After his win, Hamilton regained the lead in the WDC, overtaking Massa and Kimi Räikkönen and gaining a three point advantage. In Canada however, a pit lane crash with Räikkönen forced offender Hamilton to retire from the race after 19 laps. After this seventh round of the season, Kubica was promoted to the lead of the Driver’s Championship for the first time in his career, at the same track which in the previous year saw him horrifically on the approach to the hairpin. Meanwhile, Massa and Hamilton were tied for second place. The next race was the French Grand Prix, which saw Ferrari take a front row lockout in qualifying with Räikkönen taking pole and Massa qualifying only 0.051 seconds behind his teammate. While Räikkönen retained the lead after the first part of the race, he started to lose pace near the halfway point, letting his teammate catch and overtake him. After passing Räikkönen, Massa never looked back, winning the race and taking his first lead in the Driver’s Championship. It was a different story for his rival, however. Hamilton was able to qualify in third place, but was handed a 10 place grid penalty for his crash into Räikkönen in the previous race. After a good start and moving into 10th by the end of the first lap, he was given a drive-through penalty for cutting a corner and gaining an advantage while overtaking the Toro Rosso of Sebastian Vettel on lap 13, thus landing him back in 13th place. The Brit was unable to make up the ground to any of the points-paying positions, and finished in 10th place. The conclusion of the French race saw Massa take the lead of the WDC and Hamilton drop to fourth place, with 10 points separating the two drivers.

Massa’s run of good luck came to an abrupt end in the next race, the British Grand Prix. A slow tyre change during the third session of qualifying left him unable to record a second flying lap, landing him ninth place on the grid for the race. The conditions on race day were dreadful, with rain coming down for the full duration of the race. This caused many drivers to lose control and spin out, including Massa, who did so no less than five times. The Brazilian spun multiple times throughout the race, though fortunately for him, never making contact with any barriers or other cars. In the meantime, Hamilton overtook the leader on lap 5 and spent the rest of the race extending his lead, eventually winning by over a minute. Massa came in last place of those that crossed the line, finishing two laps behind winner Hamilton and well out of the points. The end of the wet race marked the halfway point of the season, which was turning out to be one of the closest championship races in recent history. Massa, Hamilton, and Räikkönen were all tied for the championship lead at the end of the British Grand Prix at 48 points, with Kubica following close behind at 46 points.

The start of the second half of the season was rough for Massa. Despite finishing third in Germany, he lost the lead of the championship to race winner Hamilton. In Hungary, Massa qualified third, and managed to gain the lead on the first lap. After completing his pit strategy, the Brazilian had a commanding lead over second place with less than five laps to go. However, with only three laps remaining, the Ferrari’s engine failed without warning, forcing its driver to pull out of the race and abandon a sure victory. Due to this failure, Massa went from potentially regaining the championship lead to dropping to third place, three points behind teammate Räikkönen and eight behind Hamilton, who finished fifth.

In the next race, Massa rebounded with force. He completed the trifecta in the European Grand Prix, taking pole position, recording the fastest lap, and winning the race over second place Hamilton. This would be the first of two such trifectas accomplished by the Brazilian, with the second coming in the most crucial race later in the season. With this result, Massa closed the gap in the championship standings to six points, taking second place from his teammate.

Belgium, the next round, initially looked good for Hamilton. He was able to cross the finish line in first place after it started raining for the final few laps. However, in the hours after the finish, FIA officials handed the British driver a 25 second penalty for cutting a chicane and gaining an advantage during the race. This promoted second place Massa to race winner and dropped Hamilton to third, cutting Hamilton’s championship lead over the Ferrari driver to just two points. McLaren did not take the demotion of their driver lightly, lodging an official complaint with the FIA and appealing the decision. Ultimately, two weeks after the race had finished, the penalty was upheld and the appeal denied. Massa kept the official victory and Hamilton was forced to accept his third place.

After low points finishes by both title contenders in the Italian Grand Prix, Hamilton’s lead was only one point. Despite his recent form, the infamous first ever Singapore Grand Prix turned out to be a nightmare for Massa’s title hopes. After winning pole position in qualifying, the Brazilian got off to a good start, building a three second lead over second place. After the notorious “Crashgate” crash by Nelson Piquet Jr. on lap 14 of the race, a safety car was deployed and Massa pitted for new tyres and fuel. In a rush to get teammate Räikkönen into the pits as well, Massa was released with the fuel line still attached to his car. He drove to the end of the pit lane before stopping, causing Ferrari mechanics to have to sprint down the length of the lane to the car to remove the fuel line. This incident caused the Ferrari driver to drop far down the running order. He dropped even further after being handed a drive through penalty for unsafe release and spinning later in the race, ultimately finishing way out of the points in 13th place. In the meantime, Hamilton was able to take full advantage of Massa’s multiple incidents, finishing on the podium and extending his lead in the championship to seven points. With only three races remaining in the season, Hamilton’s lead looked to be too much for Massa to overcome, but that didn’t mean the Brazilian was about to give up his title hopes.

Japan was the next race on the schedule, and it needed to either be an amazing performance from Massa or a bad race for Hamilton in order for Massa to stay relatively in the title race, even though Massa remained confident in his title chances. Despite this positive outlook, the weekend did not start off great for the Brazilian. He was only able to qualify fifth as two drivers were able to out-qualify him with their final flying laps, while Hamilton was able to grab pole position. However, a huge lockup from Hamilton in the first corner of lap one, which forced Räikkönen to run wide, causing a collision with third place Kovalainen. All three drivers suffered from this incident, dropping down the grid and allowing Massa to slip in front of his rival. On the next lap, the Ferrari driver braked too late into a chicane, giving Hamilton a window to pass him. During his recovery, Massa ran over the kerbs and hit the McLaren of his rival, spinning Hamilton around. This close contact racing did not last much longer, with Hamilton pitting at the end of the lap, dropping him to the back of the field, while Massa continued on in seventh place. Later in the race, both drivers were handed drive through penalties, Hamilton for running Räikkönen off the track on the first lap and Massa for causing the collision with his rival. After his earlier stop after the collision with Massa, Hamilton was never fully able to regain the positions he lost, and ultimately finished out of the points. Massa was able to make up some of the ground he lost and finished the race in seventh place, gaining two points and cutting Hamilton’s lead to just five points with only two races left to go.

At the next race in China, the pressure was still on Massa to catch up to Hamilton, even more so now that there were only two races remaining in the season. Unfortunately for him, Hamilton looked unstoppable all weekend. He was able to set the fastest times in two of the three practice sessions, win pole, and then finish the trifecta during the race, setting the fastest lap and winning the race at the same time. There was a silver lining for the Brazilian driver, however. Massa was able to pass his teammate with less than 10 laps remaining, securing second place and making sure that Hamilton did not extend his lead in the championship to a gap that could not be overcome. Once the Chinese race came to a close, the stage was set for one of the wildest finishes to a driver’s championship that the sport has ever seen: the final, deciding race in Brazil.

In order for Massa to win the championship, he needed at the very least to win the race, as well as have Hamilton finish in sixth or lower. This was the ideal scenario for the Brazilian because the points gap going into the weekend was seven points. Theoretically, if Hamilton and Massa had finished in those exact positions, sixth and first respectively, they would have tied in the points, thus giving the championship to the Brazilian, simply because he won more races than his rival during the season. The weekend got off to a perfect start for Massa, who won pole, while Hamilton qualified fourth. With the stage set, the drivers and fans alike were waiting to see exactly who would bring home the title. And of course, in a race that would decide everything, it started to heavily rain less than five minutes before the scheduled start of the race. Once the race got underway about ten minutes later, every driver was on intermediate weather tyres. At the start of the race, Massa was able to retain his lead in the first lap as the track dried out, and pitted soon after for dry weather tyres with the rest of the field. For the remainder of the race, excluding his pit stops, the title hopeful retained his lead and drove a flawless race, completing his second trifecta of the season after setting the fastest lap of the race and winning it after 71 laps. However, it wasn’t what was happening at the front of the field that mattered; it was what was happening further back in the battle for fifth place.

On lap 63, rain started to fall on the race again, causing every team’s strategists to stress about what to do about their tyre strategy. Near the end of the race, Vettel and Hamilton were battling for fourth position, and both drivers pitted on lap 66 for intermediate tyres. Due to this stop, Timo Glock, who at the time was running in seventh place, chose not to stop for the same tyres and rose to fourth. Massa pitted a lap later, with only 4 laps to go, and remained in the lead of the race. Hamilton’s stop sent him to fifth place, barely ahead of the closing Vettel and barely hanging on to his championship. Then, tragedy struck Hamilton’s title hopes: in the increasing rain, he ran wide on a turn on lap 69, letting Vettel past him and shutting him out of any hope to win the title. Ever since the rain started to fall, it was clear that Vettel had better pace in the conditions, so there was almost no chance that Hamilton had a chance to catch him and take his championship back. On the final lap of the race, it didn’t look any better for him. Massa had finished the race in first, and Hamilton was stuck behind Vettel in sixth place. But then, a miracle happened for Hamilton: Timo Glock, who had never stopped for intermediate tyres, was still ahead of the battling Vettel and Hamilton, but was having an extremely hard time keeping his Toyota TF108 under control while still using the dry weather tyres in worsening conditions. Because of this struggle, Glock was many seconds off of the pace of drivers using the right tyres for the conditions, and losing massive time to the approaching Vettel and Hamilton. Then, when it looked like Hamilton had all but lost the championship, he was able to pass the ailing Glock in the finals corners on the final lap of the race, regaining his fifth place and winning the championship. Massa had driven a perfect race, but it was not enough to win him the title.

As you may know, the 2008 Brazilian Grand Prix was the last race that Massa would ever win, and 2008 was the closest he ever came to winning a championship. The duel between Massa and Hamilton throughout the course of the season was a classic one, and it is not one that is going to be forgotten any time soon.


Thank you for reading! Below I have included the video that shows the last six laps of the 2008 season, so you can enjoy watching it yourself, whether it be for the first time or the 100th time. If I misrepresented any of the races I talked about or got a couple of things wrong, don’t hesitate to let me know! I tried to research the season the best I could, but it is very possible I misunderstood or just plain missed a few things!

Here is the final six laps of the 2008 season! IS THAT GLOCK?!?!?!?!

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Richards warns losing British GP would be "a significant threat" to British motorsport

2018-01-12 21:53:51

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McLaren Senna Walkaround - Top Gear

2018-01-12 21:30:01

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Pirelli predicts gains of up to 1.5s at start of 2018

2018-01-12 21:21:27

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Does bet365 know something we don't?

2018-01-12 21:18:01

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[TASK] I am collecting F1 Starts Photos and I need YOUR help!

2018-01-12 21:11:36

I am collecting Formula 1 starts photos. My collection is almost done (I have 969 out of 976 races), but i still can't find those photos (I browsed every good page with f1 photos I know):

  • 1964 Mexico City
  • 1966 Mexico City
  • 1977 Buenos Aires
  • 1959 Lisbon
  • 1969 Kyalami

If you have anything from this list or if you know some good pages to find them, please send me it!

It can be: first corner, first lap, or video with start recorded in it


I know it is my second post about it, but I really need your help with those 5 races. Also I have a question to those who want to see my collection - what do you think about this idea? - I can open a blog on blogger or something like that, and everyone would be able to get any photo he want. This is only proposition, I can also upload them on torrent, but I think a page, with links to original authors also would be suitable.

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Tiago Monteiro (Jordan Toyota EJ15), Shakedown at Silverstone, 2005

2018-01-12 20:49:32

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Between 1974 and 2008, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams won all but 4 Constructors Championships. Since then, they have won 0

2018-01-12 20:43:48

The four won by other constructors were:

Lotus 1978

Benetton 1995

Renault 2005, 2006.

It is a similar story when it comes to drivers championships too. The big 3 won all but 6 in that time period but none since then.

1978 Mario Andretti, Lotus

1981 Nelson Piquet, Brabham

1983 Nelson Piquet, Brabham

1994-5 Michael Schumacher, Benetton

2005-6 Fernando Alonso, Renault

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Sky Germany's TV deal has ended in 2017 and has still not been renewed

2018-01-12 20:23:26

Thought this might interest some of you. Are there other big markets where the situation is similar?

Germany always had RTL as the free to air broadcaster (ad supported) and Sky (formerly Premiere) as the pay TV broadcaster.

RTL's deal has been renewed in December 2017 for another 3 years, but there still isn't any news on Sky (apparently they were close to a UK-like exclusive deal, which would have seen RTL lose F1 altogether, but that fell through apparently). Lucky me, maybe.

On a side note, I cancelled my Sky subscription at the end of November, unaware that there was even a chance of Sky losing F1 (I cancelled because I didn't watch Bundesliga/CL anymore really).

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2014 Monaco Qualifying - Rosberg's Mirabeau Mischief

2018-01-12 20:13:23

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The new album of girl who sang the anthem at the Monza GP contains a track called 'Alonso'. [spanish]

2018-01-12 20:02:40

The new album of girl who sang the anthem at the Monza GP contains a track called 'Alonso'. [spanish] submitted by /u/Fuente_Valdergais
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(The Formula 1 History Project) Vettel VS Alonso

2018-01-12 19:32:15

Sebastian Vettel vs Fernando Alonso will be remembered 15 years from now as a classic F1 rivalry, with the drivers competing for the world championship in 2010 and 2012. The bulk of this piece will be about those seasons, but I will also be exploring 2011, 2013 and 2014. And without further adieu, let’s begin.

2010: Four Contenders, Four Points.

The 2010 season was a classic one, with the teams of Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari all in contention for not only the WDC, but also the WCC. The season started off in Bahrain, on the brand new and now infamous Endurance layout, which was widely criticized. For Alonso, this was his 1st year at the Prancing Horse, while Vettel was in his 2nd year with Red Bull. In Qualifying, Vettel took home pole ahead of Massa and Alonso. During the race, Vettel was in the lead, but Alonso was never too far behind. In a race packed with attrition, Vettel also became a victim, as his RB6 had a spark plug issue, which caused him to slow down. The Ferrari’s of Alonso and Massa passed him with ease, as Alonso went on to win on his Ferrari debut with Massa in 2nd and Hamilton in 3rd. Vettel ended up in 4th. First blood goes to Ferrari.

Over the course of the season, The Red Bull RB6 started to show it’s pace over the Ferrari F10, with Vettel taking wins in Malaysia and Valencia, and his teammate Mark Webber outperforming him, with back-to-back wins at Spain and Monaco, and further wins at Britain and Hungary, with him stating after victory at the British GP, “Not bad for a number 2 driver.”. Meanwhile, Ferrari had seemingly slipped behind McLaren, with their next victory only coming in the German Grand Prix, which was hugely controversial after Ferrari used team orders to ensure Fernando Alonso got the win ahead of teammate Massa. During the latter stages of the race. Rob Smedley told Felipe, “Ok, so, Fernando is faster than you. Do you confirm you understood that message?”. Assuming from Smedley’s words and tone, many believed this to be a code for Massa to move aside for Alonso. Massa abided and allowed Alonso to take a controversial win. Due to this, Ferrari was handed a 100’000 euro fine. The Red Bull team also had controversy, as both of their drivers crashed while fighting for the win during the latter stages of the Turkish Grand Prix, causing the team to lose an almost certain 1-2 finish. At the start of the summer break, the Top 5 was:

Mark Webber (161 points)

Lewis Hamilton (157 points)

Sebastian Vettel (151 points)

Jenson Button (147 points)

Fernando Alonso (141 points)

The second half of the season was the half that was going to decide the title. This was also the part of the season where the rivalry between Alonso and Vettel truly started. Over the course of the second half of the season, the Red Bull cars started to establish themselves as the best there is. Vettel did not get off to a good start, as he punted out Jenson Button during the race, causing him to lose a podium position. In the same race, Alonso also crashed his car after sliding wide due to the weather, losing important points. Alonso would bounce back however, winning in Italy and Singapore, with him just keeping of Vettel for the whole of the race in Singapore, only finishing ahead of him by 0.2 seconds in a classic race. The final four races, however, would prove to be the most decisive. Webber led the WDC ahead of Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel. In the Japanese GP, Red Bull scored an important 1-2, keeping Vettel in contention and Webber in the lead of the WDC, with Alonso coming in third. The Korean Grand Prix, on the other hand, was to put it lightly, a complete disaster for Red Bull. Webber crashed during the race, after he hit the wall in wet weather and collected Nico Rosberg, and Vettel’s Renault engine gave up 9 laps before the finish, giving Alonso another important victory. Now Alonso led the WDC ahead of Webebr and Hamilton. In Brazil, Vettel won the race ahead of Webber and Alonso, securing the Constructors Championship for Red Bull, their first of four. This also put Vettel ahead of Hamilton in the WDC. Coming into the final race at Abu Dhabi, the Standings were:

Fernando Alonso (246 points)

Mark Webber (238 points)

Sebastian Vettel (231 points)

Lewis Hamilton (222 points)

Jenson Button (199 points)

It all came down to the Abu Dhabi GP, with four drivers still in contention, it was all to play for. Vettel started the race on pole, with Hamilton and Alonso behind him. Due to Webber only qualifying 5th, many suspected this was the reason why Vettel was given priority over Webber to win the WDC. For Vettel, this was a victorious race, after getting ahead of Button in the 2nd half of the race thanks to a good strategy. But Alonso only needed to finish 4th to win the WDC. But, in bizarre circumstances, Alonso got stuck behind the 6th placed Renault of Vitaly Petrov, meaning he finished only 7th, giving Vettel the Drivers Championship by only 4 points. The final standings were:

Sebastian Vettel (256 points)

Fernando Alonso (252 points)

Mark Webber (242 points)

Lewis Hamilton (240 points)

Jenson Button (214 points)

2011: Vettel’s year.

2011 was a season of change. We saw the introduction of DRS, Pirelli became the new tyre supplier, and the debut of Sergio Perez, Daniel Ricciardo and Pastor Maldonado. But this was also a season to forget for many, due to the domination of Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull, as he took an incredible 11 out of 19 race wins, and finishing every race on the podium except for the German GP and Abu Dhabi GP. Vettel was so dominant, that he wrapped up the title with 4 races to spare at Japan. On the opposite, Alonso had a year to forget, coming 4th overall with only 1 race win at the British GP, as his Ferrari 150° Italia proved to be uncompetitive that year compared to the Red Bull RB7 and McLaren MP4/26. However, this race did also have entertaining races, such as the legendary Canadian Grand Prix, which is hailed as one of the greatest races ever. The final standings were:

Sebastian Vettel (392 points)

Jenson Button (270 points)

Mark Webber (258 points)

Fernando Alonso (257 points)

Lewis Hamilton (227 points)

2012: Red VS Blue

2012 is considered to be one of the greatest F1 seasons in history. With 7 different winners in 7 races, the rise of new stars, the return of the old and a title fight nobody can forget, this year was everything anyone could have hoped for. At the start of the season, nobody knew who had the quickest car. Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren were looking strong, but Lotus and Mercedes were also looking to make an impact. The title race started in Australia, with Jenson Button winning the season opener. In a wet race in Malaysia, which was even red-flagged at one point, Fernando Alonso held off Sergio Perez to win at Malaysia. The Chinese GP was Mercedes’ first race win since 1955, thanks to Nico Rosberg. The victory was thanked in large part thanks to their ‘Double DRS’ system, which was designed to stall the front wing, giving it a higher top speed whenever DRS was activated. The next race in Bahrain was shrouded in controversy, as it was supposed to not be in the calendar due to safety concerns regarding the Arab Spring, but it was pushed through anyways, despite the backlash. The eventual winner was Sebastian Vettel, who claimed his 1st win of the year ahead of the Lotus cars of Raikkonen and Grosjean. The race at Spain was an interesting one, as Hamilton had pole position, but was sent to the back of the grid due to failure to return to scrutineering. This meant that Pastor Maldonado inherited a surprise pole position. Over the course of the race, he fought with Alonso for the race win, but Maldonado came out triumphant, winning Williams their first race since 2004. The race in Monaco was one that belonged to Mark Webber, as he led almost all of his way en route to a 2nd victory at Monaco. The race had a multi-car crash at Sainte Devote, as Grosjean, Schumacher, Kobayashi, De la Rosa and Maldonado were all taken out or had damage. Canada saw a 7th different driver win in 7 races, as Lewis Hamilton took victory, meaning that the top 5 in the championship was:

Lewis Hamilton (88 points)

Fernando Alonso (86 points)

Sebastian Vettel (85 points)

Mark Webber (75 points)

Nico Rosberg (67 points)

The race at Valencia was without a doubt a great one. Fernando Alonso took a great win in front of his home crowd, as he came from 12th to 1st. Thanks to alternator issues for Vettel and Grosjean, he managed to take a win ahead of Raikkonen and Schumacher, the latter getting his last podium ever. Over the course of the last 3 races pre-summer break, Alonso amassed a lot of points, as he was 40 points clear of rival Mark Webber after the Hungarian GP. The title was seemingly Alonso’s to lose. The WDC Top 5 was:

Fernando Alonso (164 points)

Mark Webber (124 points)

Sebastian Vettel (122 points)

Lewis Hamilton (117 points)

Kimi Raikkonen (116 points)

But not everything was to go to plan. At the start of the Belgian Grand Prix, Romain Grosjean caused a huge Turn 1 accident, taking out Hamilton, Perez and Alonso. Grosjean’s car almost took Alonso’s head off, as it flew over his safety cell. Due to this accident. Grosjean got a 1 race ban. In Italy and Singapore, Vettel gained even more points to get closer to Alonso. But the moment which changed the entire complexion of the championship came in Japan. In Turn 1, Alonso’s car slid out into the gravel trap after contact with Kimi Raikkonen, causing him to retire from the race. To add insult to injury, Sebastian Vettel won the race, meaning he cut down the points advantage from 29 down to just 4. In a season where Alonso had profited from the mistakes and bad luck of others, it was safe to say his luck had run out. In the final four races, Vettel made even more inroads on Alonso, claiming victory in Korea and India, a recovery drive from last to third in Abu Dhabi and came 2nd in the United States GP. Coming into Brazil, Vettel’s advantage was 13 points over Alonso.

It all came down to the race in Brazil. And what a race it was. In the very first lap of the race, Vettel spun out after contact with Bruno Senna, and was plum last with a damaged car and radio issues. Vettel had a fight on his hands. The race itself was an absolute cracker, with 147 successful overtakes. Vettel and Alonso tried to both make up as many positions as possible, with Alonso reaching 2nd place after Hulkenberg and Hamilton crashed. Vettel, however, managed to make it up to 6th place, which was enough for him to wrap up the title, after Schumacher let his car through to extend his title advantage to three points. With the final safety car for Di Resta’s crash at the final straight, Vettel had done enough to win a third world championship, with Alonso coming up short by 3 points at the end. However, there was controversy, as Ferrari were going to protest Vettel’s title, due to him possibly overtaking Jean-Eric Vergne with yellow flags on the track, which would give him a penalty. Due to the end of the race being under safety car conditions, this could mean Vettel would lose enough places to lose his world championship. However, the FIA clarified that there was a green flag before turn 3, meaning that it was ok to overtake. Ferrari understood the clarification and withdrew their protest.

2013: Back to Business.

2013 will be remembered for two things regarding F1. Firstly, that it was the last year of the V8 engine formula, and secondly, for Sebastian Vettel’s sheer domination. The season started off well enough, with 3 different winners in 3 races. But despite wins by Alonso, Rosberg and Hamilton, nothing could stop Vettel on his path to a 4th world championship. He won every single race post-summer break. He took a whopping 13 wins that year. Meanwhile 2nd place Alonso only took 2 wins, in China and a home win in Spain. For many, this was the year that the Alonso and Vettel rivalry died. However, there was one final battle. The final standings were:

Sebastian Vettel (397 points)

Fernando Alonso (242 points)

Mark Webber (199 points)

Lewis Hamilton (189 points)

Kimi Raikkonen (183 points)

2014: One More Dance.

The 2014 season saw the seemingly unstoppable Red Bull and Vettel be dethroned by Mercedes and Hamilton, and Vettel being beaten out by RB newcomer Daniel Ricciardo. Due to this, and a lack of reliability from his Renault PU, he decided to leave the team and replace the outgoing Alonso in Ferrari for 2015. Alonso, meanwhile, was dealing with a poor Ferrari car, which had a lack of power, reliability and grip. Whist the two would not compete for the title, the two would have one last memorable fight at the British Grand Prix, with Vettel putting in a gutsy overtake to secure 5th place. In the driver's standings, however, Vettel managed to pip Alonso by 6th place to 5th place. This was the last year of any on track or standings battles between the two, at least for now…

Epilogue

The Alonso and Vettel rivalry was a weird one in regards to F1. There was not any kind of war of words, no major on-track controversies between the two. But this was also a story of never giving up. Both of these men will go down as legends, and their stories are far from over.

To all of you who read this piece, I just want to say, thank you. This was probably my longest ever essay regarding F1, and it was awesome to share it with all of you. I honestly hope you enjoyed it. Thank you and have a nice day!

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Little fan doesn't want to let Vettel go

2018-01-12 19:05:42

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Alonso passes Schumacher around the outside of 130R - Suzuka 2005

2018-01-12 18:53:57

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Graham Rahal disagrees with Haas F1's belief that there aren't any Americans ready for F1

2018-01-12 18:53:38

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Inside the mind of Adrian Newey: the F1 design guru opens up

2018-01-12 18:52:56

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Lewis Hamilton Career Crashes Since 2007

2018-01-12 18:38:38

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The fly-on-the-wall McLaren documentary produced by Amazon Prime is to be available from 9 Feb. It's a fascinating watch, filmed pre-season 2017, seeing the scale of their problems dawn Among best insights: seeing Honda engine arrive and realising gearbox won't go on

2018-01-12 18:37:53

The fly-on-the-wall McLaren documentary produced by Amazon Prime is to be available from 9 Feb. It's a fascinating watch, filmed pre-season 2017, seeing the scale of their problems dawn Among best insights: seeing Honda engine arrive and realising gearbox won't go on submitted by /u/Joseki100
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Where does the “6 seconds per lap” Alonso meme come from?

2018-01-12 18:29:26

Is there an origin?

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Force India on IG: WELL DONE BAKU

2018-01-12 18:23:16

Force India on IG: WELL DONE BAKU submitted by /u/OrangeArrow19
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According to L’Équipe Robert Kubica will be Williams reserve driver.

2018-01-12 18:19:59

According to L’Équipe Robert Kubica will be Williams reserve driver. submitted by /u/dzgvn
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[OT] Billy Monger wants to return to single-seater racing after losing legs

2018-01-12 18:17:55

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Which of these gave you the greatest shock factor at the time?

2018-01-12 18:15:11

Which of these gave you the greatest shock factor at the time? submitted by /u/PawPawWings
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Enlighten me pls

2018-01-12 17:51:39

So, the majority of lap records around the current f1 circuits are from 2004 (except this year. the 2017 cars are amazing, top technology super fast, really mind blowing IMO). My question here is, why are 2004 cars so fast? Their aero seems to be really simples, comparing to 2008 or 2017

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Steiner says no American driver is ready for F1 now

2018-01-12 17:44:07

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My retro-ish entry for the VB77 helmet competition

2018-01-12 17:30:27

My retro-ish entry for the VB77 helmet competition submitted by /u/juanprada
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Example of the F1 streaming service

2018-01-12 17:21:00

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Why does the FOM onboard telemetry not show precise braking inputs?

2018-01-12 16:55:00

We've all seen the onboard telemetry display that FOM uses to show speed, revs, throttle and brake inputs.

But why doesn't it show the precise braking inputs, whilst showing the precise throttle inputs?

I've seen it in other series where the onboard telemetry shows this, such as in WEC, but why not F1?

I feel like it would add to showing the skill the drivers need, particularly when driving in the wet, as it would show how delicate they have to be on the brakes in order to avoid locking up. Similarly, it would show how different drivers react to locking up, and could also show the varying braking styles and techniques across the grid.

I know it's a real non-issue in the grand scheme of things, but I've been wondering this for years.

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Ron Dennis is hosting a thank you/farewell party tonight, inviting everyone he ever worked with at McLaren

2018-01-12 16:40:19

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When Will Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel Retire?

2018-01-12 16:21:15

When Will Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel Retire? submitted by /u/PawPawWings
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Is there a list of all the most interesting/best outcomes from an F1 season?

2018-01-12 15:59:42

For example: WCC WDC 1-2 Weekend Weekend trifecta (Win, Pole, Fastest Lap) Maiden Pole Maiden Win Win from back of the grid etc.?

Thanks for any help or pointing in the general direction!

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Craig Scarborough's views on Kvyat's new job

2018-01-12 15:52:00

Craig Scarborough's views on Kvyat's new job submitted by /u/AcrimoniusAlpaca
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Just waiting for the FIA/Liberty to make this guy the new official checkered flag for every race.

2018-01-12 15:25:36

Just waiting for the FIA/Liberty to make this guy the new official checkered flag for every race. submitted by /u/PawPawWings
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2015 Malaysian Grand Prix - Race Highlights ("Ferrari Is Back")

2018-01-12 14:55:15

2015 Malaysian Grand Prix - Race Highlights ("Ferrari Is Back") submitted by /u/xScottieHD
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[OT] Whoever did the subtitles for Top Gear hadn't heard of Eau Rouge

2018-01-12 14:37:37

[OT] Whoever did the subtitles for Top Gear hadn't heard of Eau Rouge submitted by /u/flt001
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A close look at Ferrari's sidepod, on display at the Autosport Show 2018

2018-01-12 14:35:26

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What amazing cars do the F1 drivers drive in their free time?

2018-01-12 14:07:18

Feel free to name some ex-driver's cars as well

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Pirelli’s Mario Isola feels Williams haven’t given Robert Kubica a fair opportunity of F1 track time to prove he’s capable of a 2018 comeback

2018-01-12 13:23:29

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Pirelli says F1 tyre war would damage competition

2018-01-12 12:49:38

Pirelli says F1 tyre war would damage competition submitted by /u/xScottieHD
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How can a car be good in quali but not in the race (and vice versa)?

2018-01-12 12:24:45

Can someone explain how that works?

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Movistar+ renews deal to broadcast Formula 1 until 2020 in Spain

2018-01-12 12:18:51

Movistar+ renews deal to broadcast Formula 1 until 2020 in Spain submitted by /u/arkady_
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[REMINDER] entries close at 5pm GMT today (12th) for the Bottas helmet design competition

2018-01-12 12:13:20

[REMINDER] entries close at 5pm GMT today (12th) for the Bottas helmet design competition submitted by /u/atw86
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Is Club 15 at the Aus GP worth it?

2018-01-12 11:40:59

$99 per person on top of general admission feels steep. Before I go and burn 2 cases of VB worth of dollarydoos I wanted to know if anyone has had some experience with it.

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Best qualifying session and Best race of 2017?

2018-01-12 11:39:54

Best Qualifying: Russia - Bottas(surprise)

Best Race: Singapore

what's your choice?

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Sauber on schedule with 'brand new' 2018 project

2018-01-12 11:30:38

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Formula 1 evaluating changes to grid formation

2018-01-12 10:49:37

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[Poll] Will Kubica get another shot for a F1 seat

2018-01-12 10:40:23

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One with the groom

2018-01-12 10:13:48

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Throwback to the Michael Buffer Austin entrance (feat. Fernando Olanso)

2018-01-12 10:07:33

Throwback to the Michael Buffer Austin entrance (feat. Fernando Olanso) submitted by /u/PawPawWings
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Formula One Car Driving Reverse Way On Eau Rouge!

2018-01-12 10:05:22

Formula One Car Driving Reverse Way On Eau Rouge! submitted by /u/formulaboi
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Such a great moment

2018-01-12 10:02:26

Such a great moment submitted by /u/oh84s
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Jenson Button To Race Jaguar XJR-9 At Le Mans Classic

2018-01-12 09:56:56

Jenson Button To Race Jaguar XJR-9 At Le Mans Classic submitted by /u/kriswascher97
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New asphalt for Barcelona circuit

2018-01-12 09:42:59

New asphalt for Barcelona circuit submitted by /u/whathellll
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Vettel Has a Major Engine Problem

2018-01-12 09:40:32

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Carlos Sainz has a Golf. [Throwback]

2018-01-12 09:27:27

Carlos Sainz has a Golf. [Throwback] submitted by /u/TVInBlackNWhite
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That time in 1998 when Williams looked like Ferrari's.

2018-01-12 09:21:18

That time in 1998 when Williams looked like Ferrari's. submitted by /u/freakalicious
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Official F1 2017 Season Newsletters - Where Can I Find Them?

2018-01-12 09:11:59

I've lost all the newsletters that I had saved from last year. Could any kind soul please direct me to where I can find them, or even provide a Google Drive link if possible?

Thanks in advance!

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What happened to the rumor that Rosberg had brokered a 7 race deal for Kubica?

2018-01-12 08:40:29

Title basically. Now that, there are super strong indications of Sirotkin getting the drive. Does anyone know about what happened to the alleged 7 race deal for Kubica?

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I saw this weird dream where I was reading f1 sub and saw McLaren(Van,Alo) and RBR(Ric,Ver) were leading, with Ferrari 3rd and Merc 4th. (Details Inside)

2018-01-12 08:09:53

Hello, my first post here, lurker for 5 months. I think it was 2018 season since McLaren and RBR lineups might change in 2019. But then, its impossible for Merc to drop to 4th. So, it won't happen in RL.

Clearly, its just wishful thinking of my brain. Honestly, I dont expect Renault engine to be so dominating than others'. But in my country, we say that dreams seen in morning after like 3am can come true in some form...maybe McLaren wins just a couple races, then goes for WDC fight in 2019/2020.

So, today morning (Asia), I saw a dream in which I was reading r/formula1. I saw that someone had posted WDC/WCC points till summer break. I saw results as follows:

After 11 Races,

WCC-McLaren->RBR->Ferrari->Merc. WDC-Van->Alo->Ric->Ver.

Race1

1.Van 2.Alo 3.Ric

Race2

1.Alo 2.??? 3.Van

Race3

1.Ric 2.Van 3.Ver

Race???

1.Alo 2.Ver 3.Ric

After scrolling, I saw Monaco

1.??? 2.Van 3.Alo

P.S. Although I like Alo more than Van, but its satisfying to see Alo win races again and fight for WDC. And Ric-Ver are winning too, but sadly no Ferrari, Merc boys to be seen on podiums. I was hoping for 2012 like season in 2019/2020 before engine regs in 2021.

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Are any teams publicly traded?

2018-01-12 08:04:03

Are any teams publicly traded? If yes, how volatile is an F1 investment?

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Drag Increase System

2018-01-12 06:16:09

When with a second of the car in front the chasing driver can press a button which lifts a winglet or flap of some kind up to increase downforce through corners to counteract the effects of dirty air.

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A huge THANK YOU to /u/Gongduet!

2018-01-12 04:49:22

A huge THANK YOU to /u/Gongduet! submitted by /u/r3ynoldswrap
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My mom went to the Monaco Grand Prix

2018-01-12 04:11:07

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Does anybody know why williams ran an unbranded airbox on the FW14 in 1991 ?

2018-01-12 03:59:15

Does anybody know why williams ran an unbranded airbox on the FW14 in 1991 ? submitted by /u/gavingav1
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Jenson Button's Super GT team revealed by Honda

2018-01-12 03:49:33

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Ferrari spokesman: "Kvyat to work in simulator"

2018-01-12 03:37:45

Ferrari spokesman: "Kvyat to work in simulator" submitted by /u/magicmunkynuts
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Would every team using the same engine but different aero make F1 more exciting?

2018-01-12 02:57:08

If every team used the same engine but was allowed to decide how they setup their aero would that make each weekend more exciting instead of being dominated by a few teams? It would also reward skill in the teams and with drivers instead of just rewarding which team has the most money.

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